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https://tinyurl.com/ allows you to shorten URLs. Suppose I shorten the hidden service for DuckDuckGo (https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/) to make it: https://tinyurl.com/2lxqxljq. This link redirects to a hidden service meaning you can only view the hidden service through the Tor network. But the tinyurl isn't a hidden service, it only redirects to a hidden service (there is a Captcha Tor users have to fill out). Does this make this specific URL, "https://tinyurl.com/2lxqxljq" part of the deep web, dark web, or what?

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  • give an example of a clearnet domain forwarding to an .onion domain – user610620 Feb 16 at 20:35
  • I just did: tinyurl.com/2lxqxljq redirects to DuckDuckGo's onion service. – Swangie Feb 16 at 20:37
  • if Tor can browse the clearnet, and does onion routing while doing so, its small transition from a clearnet site to a hidden service will also be onion routed in my opinion. there's no reason to think Tor will behave differently towards the two, whether they're linked or not – user610620 Feb 16 at 20:39
  • Yes, but is tinyurl.com/2lxqxljq part of the deep web, dark web, or what is my question. – Swangie Feb 16 at 20:42
  • no. only .onion sites are – user610620 Feb 16 at 20:43
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.com sites are not part of the darknet. Only .onion sites are.

a .com that redirects/forwards to wherever it forwards doesn't change the fact that it is a clearnet .com. you might not think there is content for the tinyurl, but there is DNS resolve going on in the background since the .com TLD runs on DNS to carry out any operation, including the protocol to forward elsewhere.

If Tor is not used on the tinyurl, it doesn't matter if the .com can't reach its forwarded destination. you still put miles into traveling the .com as explained in my previous comment regarding DNS resolve, and are just stopped when you get to the border leading to darknetland. Without Tor, there technically was no darknet site accessed whatsoever by going to the tinyurl. only a failed attempt at entry, which was only the second leg of the journey

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  • The thing is tinyurl.com/2lxqxljq is not like a normal website. There is no content on it. It's basically just 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion but renamed to have a different URL. It redirects to 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion. – Swangie Feb 16 at 20:49
  • Also, a darknet is an overlay network for the internet. Do you mean the dark web? – Swangie Feb 16 at 20:50
  • a .com that redirects/forwards to wherever it forwards doesn't change the fact that it is a clearnet .com. you might not think there is content for the tinyurl, but there is DNS resolve going on in the background. .com runs on DNS to carry out any operation, including the protocol to forward elsewhere – user610620 Feb 16 at 20:55
  • But if this tinyurl is a .com, you still can't reach the destination website without using the Tor network. So why isn't this website "technically" a dark web site since the dark web can only be accessed with the tor network? – Swangie Feb 16 at 20:57
  • it doesn't matter if the .com can't reach its forwarded destination. you still put miles into traveling the .com as explained in my previous comment regarding DNS resolve, and are just stopped when you get to the border leading to darknetland. Without Tor, there technically was no darknet site accessed whatsoever by going to the tinyurl. only a failed attempt at entry, which was only the second leg of the journey – user610620 Feb 16 at 21:08

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